Puerto Rico VS Mexico Boxing Rivalry
Puerto Rico VS Mexico Boxing Rivalry
This Saturday Miguel Cotto VS Antonio Margarito will be the latest installment of the Puerto Rico VS Mexico Boxing Rivalry. Not only that, it should be Fight of The Year.
Here is a good article on the Puerto Rico VS Mexico Boxing Rivalry: MEXICO VS PUERTO RICO: WHEN THE STARS COLLIDE
GREAT PUERTO RICAN FIGHTERS
Miguel Cotto is the latest in a long line of wonderful prizefighters from Puerto Rico. Like the best of his compatriots, he is highly diverse; when facing a puncher, he can move and box with the best of them. When he’s the puncher, there may not be a more dangerous young guy at 140 pounds. He’s young still and growing, but shows poise beyond his years and has consistently faced stiff competition. Will he be remembered among the great Puerto Rican fighters when he’s done? Only time will tell, of course, and he’s got a very tough act to follow. Here’s one man’s list, presented in alphabetical order, of the best fighters Puerto Rico has produced.
Wilfred Benitez
Benitez was the best defensive fighter of his era, and not by a little. You just had to see him fight once to know it. If you saw him boxing rings around the great Antonio Cervantes, at 17 years old for cripes’ sake, or Carlos Palomino or Roberto Duran, you knew how special he was. He hated to train and loved to party but if you want to see one of the smoothest defensive fighters of the last 50 years, get a tape of prime Benitez. He was pure magic.
Hector Camacho
There are those who still don’t take Camacho seriously because of his persona and ring style, but the Camacho who tore through a pair of divisions in the early 1980s was a very good fighter. He beat Rafael Limon, Rafael Solis, Jose Luis Ramirez, Freddie Roach and others. Even later on he was still too good for Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza, Howard Davis and Greg Haugen (he also lost to Haugen). And he proved his heart once and for all when he lasted the distance with Julio Cesar Chavez, despite taking a terrific beating.
Esteban DeJesus
DeJesus wasn’t only the first guy to beat Roberto Duran. He beat a lot of talented fighters, such as Ray Lampkin and Johnny Gant and Alfonso Frazier. Duran will forever overshadow him, but what’s terrible about being second best to maybe the greatest lightweight ever? Of DeJesus’ five career losses, two were to Duran, one was to Antonio Cervantes, and another was in his very last fight, to Saoul Mamby. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.
full article: http://www.hbo.com/boxing/features/greatest/pr_fighters.html
THE GREAT MEXICAN FIGHTERS
1. Julio Cesar Chavez – Widely regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter of all-time, although old timers will debate you on that. They favor Olivares, Miguel Canto or maybe even Sanchez. Whatever they think, Chavez won world titles at 130, 135 and three times at 140 and retired with a record of 108-6-2 with 87 KOs. He was unbeaten in his first 91 fights (although a draw to Pernell Whitaker was a gift) before Frankie Randall beat him by well deserved split decision. One of his greatest performances was his last-second stoppage of Meldrick Taylor on March 17, 1990, a brilliant and brutal night in which Taylor administered a boxing lesson but took a beating from which he never fully recovered. Chavez used suffocating pressure, body punching and crushing right hands to wear men down and beat them up. He was 88-0 when he and Whitaker fought in San Antonio. He was a lesser fighter after that but he was also 31 and a veteran of an inordinate amount of ring wars. It will take a lot for someone to remove him out of this No. 1 ranking.
2. Ruben Olivares – One of the two or three best bantamweights ever to fight, Olivares held that title through two reigns between 1969-72 before moving up to twice win the WBC featherweight title. A powerful puncher, Olivares won his first 60 fights, 55 by knockout on the way to posting a record of 88-13-3 (78 KO). Perhaps no 118 pounder ever punched harder than Olivares. He could box but most often chose not to, relying instead on a shot to the liver and a menacing style that was all about coming forward. Classic Mexican brawler, Olivares was loved by Mexican fight fans. His three wars with Bobby Chacon are typical of why.
3. Salvador Sanchez – Sanchez (44-1-1) never lost a title fight and defeated a roster of top opponents like Danny Lopez (twice), Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez, Juan LaPorte and Ruben Castillo before dying at 23 in a car wreck. He had made nine successful defenses of the featherweight title at the time of his death. Sanchez was not the typical Mexican brawler but rather a defensive expert and sharp counter puncher. His greatest night was when he destroyed Gomez, who was 32-0-1 at the time, in eight technically perfect rounds.
4. Miguel Canto – A defensive master, he’s the Mexican version of Willie Pep. He successfully defended the flyweight title a record 14 times, winning all but one of those fights by 15-round decision, a record that will never be approached for dominance by virtue of pure boxing skill.
Canto finished 61-9-4 with only 15 knockouts with four of those losses coming at the end of his career and most of the rest in the first two years of it. He was more difficult to hit than Sandy Koufax.
Full article: http://www.hbo.com/boxing/features/greatest/great_mexican.html
(although Erik Morales need to be added to the Top Ten)
Depending on who’s doing the counting, there have been nearly five dozen world title fights between boxers from Mexico and Puerto Rico and most have been classic brawls.
“In other countries people go crazy to see a soccer game between Spain and Italy, Italy and England,” said boxing writer Gerardo Fernandez of the Puerto Rican daily Primera Hora. “Well, it’s the same ambience for a boxing match between Mexico and Puerto Rico.”
It’s not hard to figure out why. They are Latin American lands with similar backgrounds and cultures. And in both lands, boxing is revered.
“They’re two countries in which boxing is the national sport,” said Jose Sulaiman, president of the World Boxing Council. “It’s the sport that’s in their hearts. There’s a special rivalry over which Latin country has the best boxers.”
Puerto Rico-Mexico rivalry packs a real punch
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24/07/2008 at 6:40 pm Permalink
VIVA MEXICO CABRONES.
Saludos desde monterrey, mexico
11/08/2008 at 3:59 pm Permalink
Yes and ALL of the pero-rican boxers got beat up by MEXICANS.
Antonio Margarito pounded miguel cotto in to the ground.
Salvador Sanches destroyed wilfredo gomez.
and of course Julio Cesar Chavez pounded hector camacho into a bloody pulp.
wilfred benitez and esteban dejesus …avoided Mexicans so they got away
But when it comes down to Mexican champion vs pero-rican champion…MEXICANS own the rivalry.
11/08/2008 at 6:03 pm Permalink
“MEXICANS own the rivalry.”
I wouldn’t say I am more pro-Mexican or more pro-Puerto Rican. I like boxers from both spots.
Puerto Ricans have done pretty well also:
Wilfred Benitez beat Carlos Palomino
Héctor Camacho beat Rafael Limón
Sixto Escobar beat Casanova (the first world title fight between a Puerto Rican and a Mexican)
Wilfredo Gómez beat Lupe Pintor
Félix ‘Tito’ Trinidad beat Yori Boy Campos, de la Hoya and Fernando Vargas
And Camacho beat the great José Luis Ramírez
I would say its more or less even. Hence the reason it is a great rivalry.
Also, consider this:
Mexico — Population: 108,700,891
Puerto Rico — Population: 3,944,259
- MPM
12/08/2008 at 8:57 am Permalink
some of the pero-ricans won against Mexicans but they were not fighting Champions or were getting champions on the way down.
Allow me to retort…
Carlos Palomino was 31-4 not a great champion…and benitez won by split decision after benitez gave Palomino a headbut.
Rafael Limon was not a great mexican fighter (52-23) and was 8 years older than camacho…not exactly a victory I would brag about.
Casanova was a 19-3 boxer and not a great champ…but of course sixto escobar one year later got schooled in what was supposed to be a gimme fight… that young fighter was Juan Zurita … who did become a LEGEND at 131-24.
Lupe Pintor was ok boxer at 56-14…so wilfredo gomez beating him is not something to brag about.
Ohh and the De Lahoya thing…please we all know tito lost that fight.
12/08/2008 at 4:48 pm Permalink
Anon,
You make some decent points, but I think you are discrediting some of the Mexican fighters that were defeated by Puerto Ricans.
Palomino was a great boxer. Besides an early loss, his only losses were to Benitez, Roberto Duran (in a decision, no shame there) and Wilfredo Rivera (another Puerto Rican).
“Rafael Limon was not a great mexican fighter”
Come on? Bazooka Limon not Great? Two time Champion. Sure is record is not glossy, but some of those losses were early on the tough Mexico circuit.
He also ended his career 2-12 when he became a stepping stone which made his record a little lopsided. Some of those losses? Chavez and Camacho as well as a rising Sharmba Mitchell.
And Pintor was Ring Magazines Comeback fighter of the year in 1985. He also ended his career 2-7 when he became a stepping stone for fighters like Samart Payakaroon of Thailand.
I think you are putting to much emphasis on record. A lot of these guys fought in the days when they weren’t protected like fighters are today. An “Undefeated” record wasn’t as important as it is today to market a fighter.
About the De La Hoya thing. Sure it can be argued that De La Hoya won. But in a Mexico VS Puerto Rico match up, you cannot run the last four rounds. When a Mexican fighter and Puerto Rican fighter fight a lot of it is about who is mas macho.
De La also got some gift decisions in his career. Whitaker torched him and Quartey, despite De La’s finish, mathematically won the fight.
That all being said. Mexico VS Puerto Rico is the greatest rivalry in not just boxing, but all of Sport.
- MPM
14/08/2008 at 2:52 am Permalink
Hey G-man….Way to school this ignorant mamao and everyone else.
There’s been some awesome rivalries. Lets not forget Juanma Diaz who ko’d Ponce De Leon in the first round. Oh, but since he lost he’s not a good Mexican fighter. I don`t understand Mex people, they always have excuses. Hell, they don’t even get along with their own kind….One is a Mexican American, the other is a Mexican national. What the fuck? If the island was anywhere the size of mejico, Mexican fighters wouldn’t even exist. They’re lucky Cubans aren’t around. Borinken is small, but look at all the athlete’s we produce, from boxing to baseball.
16/08/2008 at 3:56 pm Permalink
Now there are two idots who can not tell the difference between a fight and a Collision Of Champions.
You have to use history and record when defining a Grand Champion. This has been another big difference pero rican champions come and go…but Mexican Grand Champions last a long time.
Now a GREAT Champion is someone that has at Minimum 50 fights with minimum of 10 title defences and has won at least 90% of his fights.
Go look up your boxing history…you will see how few of these there are.
Every time pero-ricans loose they start talking about how small their island is…SO WHAT! England is small, South Korea is small and the Philipines. The island size excuse is pathetic.
And with regards to Mexicans that are born, raised in Mexico compared to Americans of Mexican heritiage, of course the difference is valid.
Puerto ricans do the same thing! They make a clear distinction between Puerto Rican fighters and American Puerto Rican (aka Newyor-Ricans). In fact puerto ricans do not hardly support “puerto-rican blood” if the boxer is born and raised in the 50 states.
This conversation always comes out the same…one thing you can not argue after Margarito dealt cotto a pummeling KO,
RIGHT NOW…MEXICO HAS BRAGGING RIGHTS.
- FJO
02/09/2008 at 8:07 am Permalink
Ivan Calderon,Roman Martinez,Eric Morel.Calderon future hall of fame,Martinez future world champ.Morel next two time world champ.arriba los boricuas.
13/09/2008 at 12:57 pm Permalink
AS SOON AS MEXICANS LOOSE, THE VEXICAN PEOPLE SAY “HE WASNT A GREAT CHAMP” LMAO SO WHATS THE EXCUSE FOR ALL THOSE MEXICAN “SO-CALLED” LEGENDS THAT PACMAN RETIRED? WERE THOSE GUYS NOT GREAT CHAMPS EITHER?
16/09/2008 at 9:33 pm Permalink
I am a proud mexican boxing fan… but i can not stand hispanics, mexicans, puerto ricans or any latins arguing over who sucks…. there is great, good, bad and mediocre boxers everywhere. I am proud to say that mexico has had great champions and new prospects make us very proud, but i also admire boxers from others countries… puerto rico included. Miguel cotto is one of the better fighters to come out of puerto rico. I enjoy the professional rivalry there is because it makes fights that much more exciting. WE are ALL HIspanic or LAtin we should not fall into this stupid general rivalry between hispanics it only makes us weaker in a country in which we are a MInority… RAcism is very real in america… we should use our diverse cultures to enrich and empower our races….we need to set an example and prove that we are worthy people who deserve to be given a chance to live in the greatest country of the world.
18/09/2008 at 5:00 pm Permalink
I SECOND THAT THOUGHT “MEXICANS OWN THE RIVALRY” PUERTO RICO WE SHARE THE SAME LANGUAGE AND WE’VE SUFFERED THE SAME THINGS WE ARE LIKE FAMILY. BUT BROTHERS ALWAYS FIGHT AND RIGHT NOW ARE WINNING. OUR RESPECTS AND BRING THE HEAT NOTHING EXCITES US MORE THAN A GOOD FIGHT.
VIVA MEXICO
18/09/2008 at 9:55 pm Permalink
Asi es, siempre que hay una gran pelea hay controversia…y…… EXCUSAS .
PR es mas chico que MEXICO ok.
Los boxeadores de donde sean tienen que ser buenos, carismaticos ………..y……………… POBRES
todo esto no es a favor ni en contra………………………………
hay que saber perder.
no te gusta?
ni modo
la cosa es asi y seguira ganando quien en el momento sea MEJOR
llamese puertorican, nwrican mexamerican-mexican
cosa curiosa…
que hizo peleear a Oscar De La Hoya vs Chavez?
lo unico que desato fue division
mal movimiento para un BUSSINESMENT
SAME THINK WITH FLOYD M.
07/10/2008 at 9:51 am Permalink
puerto rico is the best boxers in the world and till this day is still making nose in boxing,puerto rico has beat up wet backs over the years its nothing new about this. but you wet backs always try to find something to say about puerto rican boxers,but the truth is that you hate us because I.N.S. IS NOT AFTER US,BUT AFTER YOUR ASS. GET OUT YOU DONT BELONG HERE GET YOU ALL NO GOOD MOTHER FUCKERS. FUCK ALL YOU.
25/10/2008 at 3:06 pm Permalink
WOW! It’s sad when you take a glimpse at this blog and notice the ignorance of some. It is good to see those impartial parties though. Puerto Rico vs Mexico… Best rivalry in sport if you ask me. To be a rivalry each party must win and lose. That’s what makes this a great one. Better yet, I think humility has a great deal of importance. Margarito whooped my fellow boricua not too long ago, but both were gentlemen about it. First Cotto for even granting Margarito the chance at greatness and then Margarito for not avoiding the rematch (which will come soon). I like when people go off talking smack about others, in the end this rivalry helps each group appreciate their culture and demonstrate their respective pride. That’s good for the sport and good for Latinos. But in the end, don’t forget that he who laughs last laughs the hardest… and in this rivalry, there is no telling who will be laughing last. Thanks for a good read people! Keep up the hating… very entertaining.
21/12/2008 at 4:54 pm Permalink
WHY EVERY TIME A MEXICAN FIGHTER LOOSE TO A PUERTO RICAN FIGHTER HES NOT A GREAT CHAMPION.SO MARGARITO IS GREAT CHAMPION BECAUSE HE BEAT TWO PUERTO RICAN FIGHTER. IF HE WOULD LOST THAT FIGHT WOULD MAKE HIM ANOTHER NOT SO GREAT CHAMPION.
25/03/2009 at 4:29 pm Permalink
margarito is a cheater so I dont consider him good
31/03/2009 at 5:43 am Permalink
so margarito beat cotto!!!!!!WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!that fucking wet back cheated hes rotten..so thats how he won his championships with plaster of paris! he should be dropped of in los lirios del sur ponce puerto rico so my boys could have a little fun and murder that peace of shit!to all ignorant mex people go look up the score puerto rico is winning!!!now the size diffrence comes in to place how that small island produces more champions,better athletes,fine ass women,nasty sets like maniac latin desciples or all mighty latin kings,latin eagles,they gave pacman a mission t.m.o.s=terminate mexicans on site and thats what he did!!cotto would beat the hell out of margarita in a clean fight and even a bare knuckle fight!people dont fight or argue about the obvious PUERTO RICO #1
23/06/2009 at 7:26 pm Permalink
puerto ricans are stupid, gay, piece of shit motherfuckers mexicans rule puerto rico sucks dick puert rico ain’t even a country they need someone else to cover their lame wannabe asses so chinga tu madre pendejos y chupa mis bolas
02/07/2009 at 9:55 am Permalink
“”puerto ricans are stupid, gay, piece of shit motherfuckers mexicans rule puerto rico sucks dick puert rico ain’t even a country they need someone else to cover their lame wannabe asses so chinga tu madre pendejos y chupa mis bolas”"
yo to the little mexican bitch who wrote this wats gud with yu nigga say some shit like that in puerto rico get yur fucking ass killed bitch. like paul said come down to ponce!! nigga we dont play neta de corazon1.50 nigga. lirios del sur y la calle del cotto all day.
11/07/2009 at 3:11 pm Permalink
Yes, it’s true. Puerto Rico is a 3++ million people ISLAND, the size of the City and county of Los angeles California. Yes, it’s true Puerto Rico was rescued by the United States under the Jones law in 1917, because its people were starving, that made Puerto Ricans U.S citizens. Congress made the decision based on a mutually convenient exchange: Economic aid for U.S. military base and use of its citizens as soldiers. New york became innundated by Puerto Ricans and in the late 70′s finally bankrupted its economy. The economic aid (social services-Well fare) brought a bonanza to Puerto Ricans not willing to work and ready to live the good life. Actors, singers, dancers, boxers, Base-ball players…etc.,etc,….were produced at wholesale rate. No country in the world have benefited more than Puerto Ricans by any alliance of any sort than the one with the U.S. So whenever Puerto Ricans cite the size of their country as a comparison to a bigger and more populous one, it’s fair to say that the comparing country is not being fully economically esponsored by The united States. Any country with most (if not all ) of its population people on welfare and with al the time in the world to practice any sport, can easily achieve great things, and Puerto Ricans have, undubtly, done greatly under the given circunstances. Puerto Ricans should avoid the word OPORTUNISTIC at any rate, it’s not to their advantage. They have made a living (literally) at it.
11/07/2009 at 3:33 pm Permalink
It’s not my intention to make enemies, but what is fair, is fair. The rest of the world have to work (holding a regular job) and sacrifice in order to succeed at any sport, Most Puerto Ricans have had it a lot easier, no work have ever been necessary. Most, if not all, of its famous people have been on social services provided by the U.S. Some times I wounder about the intelligence of the U.S. government in making the terrible decision of putting entire countries ( Israelitas, Cubanos, Puerto Riquenios)…. Millions of people under the economic wing of their country, to the dismay of its tax payers. A real Shame indeed.
11/07/2009 at 3:45 pm Permalink
Sports bring out the worst of human nature. We Mexicans were very happy enjoying old Puerto Rican music (El Jibarito Rafael Hernandez, Pedro Flores, Daniel Santos…..) Our rivalry was friendly and constructive. Pedro and Rafael trying to be better than Agustin Lara or Gonzalo Curiel gave us the best music in the world, ahhhhh…that was a good rivalry!. Now we entartain ourselves fighting each other……. I hope things get better in the future. In the mean time let’s wait for Cotto/Margarito part2. (Or probalbly not: one will win, we all lose)
11/09/2009 at 4:21 pm Permalink
BVB must think the U.S. is such a stupid nation that it just gives money away out of the goodness of their heart. You can’t be serious. first of you have to work and pay into unemployment security to get unemployment. Now another way to get unemplyment would be to steal someones social security #. I’m not exactly sure how this work but surely you know someone who does. Another misconception that BVB is trying to spoon feed is that the U.S. came to the rescue of the poor starving island when in fact we asked for help because we were loosing a war against spain. And we are very thankful they did help.
If anyone wants to know the truth behind the rivalry type The Historical Roots of “The Rivalry” on your search engine. If not, here’s a teaser.
The rivalry actually started in the 30′s when Mexico’s well known star Cassanova faced off againsts Puerto Rico’s Escobar for the bantamweight belt. It was fought in Canada because neither wanted to fight in the others back yard. Escobar ended the fight in the 9th round with a ko and was the first hispanic to win a championship belt at a time when belts were so scarse. They would go back and forth with Puerto Rico almost always breaking the ice and earning the belts in all the weight classes including the heavyweights just recently by John Ruiz and Frez Oquendo.
As for economics being used for the quality of a boxer, that is ridiculous. Everyone knows that the best boxers are molded from the worst conditions. So to say that Puerto Rico has is too good might be a valid point but if that were so then what excuse could be used for the Phillipines. Champions per capita is used all around the world and most notably Puerto Rico leads with England and the Phillipines gaining ground rapidly. I don’t understand why Mexico doesn’t give the Hawaiians as much grief as they do us. Just enjoy the rivalry.
21/10/2009 at 12:01 pm Permalink
Puerto Rico owns the rivalry…lets see … Delahoya ran like turkey before thanksgiving day… vargas got knocked the fuck out…Campas still getting phisycal therapy for his neck afterTrinidad fucked ‘em up 15 years ago….ponce de leon did’t find the fountain of youth…..thanks to Juanma…first round ko…..IN TITTLE FIGHTS PUETO RICO HAS 62 WINS…..MEXICO 47 ….look it up….our FEMALES are way better looking ..there is no doubt …thats why oscar dela turkey lives in puerto rico…he couln’t stand those chicken heads in east l.a. anymore …we have 2 baseball players in the mlb hall of fame and about 4 more on their way..we have 4 oscar winning actors..WE have a judge in the SUPREME COURT..WE HAVE THE FIRST LATINO TO GO ON A SPACE MISSION WITH NASA. AND THE FIRST LATINO SURGEON GENERAL..enogh said….The only thing that mexicans has hand down over puerto ricans in BAD t.v. shows in univision and the SWINE FLU….
30/05/2010 at 4:29 pm Permalink
To all you mAMONES WHO HATE ON PR – get off our dicks! you wetbacks talk all the time about other races but no one is paying attention to gente barata. How much is your opinion worth in this country anyway. Your people are considered the lowest of the low. We PRs contributed to this country in so many ways its ridiculous! you guys never fought in U.S. wars; you guys weren’t on the nyc streets defending our honor against the jews, italians, irish, and blacks to earn respect for all latinos so that you losers could come in and eat real food. ya’ll the real pendejos- esclavos de dos pesos; half a men with flat butted women for wives con un jueco de chocha you could fit a semi truck through! go back to your country and tumba el dictador fraudulente que tienes alla- narcotraficante, mandon, quita bocado’ quita habichuelas, antes de dar prejuicio de gente que estan aqui antes que ustedes. 1st P.R was Yohan Rodriguez- an indentured servant who bartered with the natives in New York back in late 1500′s. 1st person of color aside from the native indians-so do your research before you start hatin’! Be proud of your own country and unensen como Honduras and fight back the oposing forces in your own country- til you do that I don’t think you hav too much to say about us! We’re a proud people-no homos- Pretty boy with Big Dicks ask you sister chilito! We fuck like crazy and fit in any race ask around! control your situation in your country b4 you start running your mouths pineos pinche pendejos- no mames pongala atencion a las mujeres sokete deja de estar juzgando hombres fuertes con bichos largos que chichan todo tipo de mujer!
31/08/2010 at 7:44 am Permalink
i know why mexicans hate on us…we have baseball legend roberto clemente,boxing greats,we have da youngest world boxing champion in history at 17 wilfredo benitez,most defenses by ko 17 wilfredo gomez,we have world champions in every division,5 miss universe,nba stars,we have j lo,we gave da dreamteam their first loss,a puertorican found suddan hussein,u know why were part of u.s. cuz we serve our country in wars,sonia sotomayor,we have won more boxing fights than mexicans,we have more three or four time world champs….viva puertorico…
03/09/2010 at 2:16 pm Permalink
My Latino Boricua brothers, I almost don’t know where to start. Mexican kids go to school and work– all on a diet of beans and corn maize. They don’t have the time and energy to box. Puerto Rican kids don’t have to work and eat things like the triple meat sandwich– so they have the time and energy to box. Furthermore, most Mexicans don’t have the access to world class boxing gyms and coaches that PR’s do. That’s why 90% plus of our champions come from Mexico City. PR blacks and mulattoes are the same people as blacks and mulattoes from Venezuela, Colombia, etc– but those guys don’t have the benefit of food stamps. Same thing with Ghanians, who are from the same West African region from which PR blacks and mulattoes descend from. They are the exact same people but produce alot less champs for the same reason. Coming from a ghetto is different than being half starved and not having the time to box. The G Manifesto, you said you were impartial but you revealed your bias when you said Oscar didn’t get the decision because he ran the last 4 rounds. Fights are scored on a round by round basis and the scores are tallied at the end. He won because he landed more overall punches, more power punches, more jabs, landed at a higher connect %, dictated the pace of the fight , made Tito miss more punches or rendered more punches ineffective. He gave away the last 3 rounds because the only way Tito could’ve won was if he landed a lucky punch. It’s a common sense tactic that’s been used for decades. As for matchups, we’ve beaten PR’s best in Sixto Escobar(First PR champ), Trinidad(vs Oscar), Calderon, Gomez, Rosario, Cotto, Camacho–but you’ve not beaten any of our greats(as rated by Ring Magazine) in Julio CC, Oscar DLH, R Olivares, Barrera, Morales, Sal Sanchez, R Lopez, MA Gonzalez, Humberto Gonzalez, Humberto Soto, etc. And why didn’t Wilfredo sr fight Morales or Barrera? Why didn’t Calderon(or Morel) fight Montiel? No excuses! Why hasn’t Roman Martinez fought Humberto Soto or J Marquez(both can make 130)? Why doesn’t JuanMa move up to 130 to fight J Marquez instead of asking J Marquez’ smaller worn out brother to move up(for less money and fame)? You’ve got to fight our best **AND BEAT** our best before you brag, guys. LOL! That’s why Ring Mag has more Mexicans in it’s all time p4p lists(and they’re rated higher)– as well as more Mexs in today’s Ring Mag p4p list. As for the # of Mex champs, you guys didn’t include the 37 Mexican American champs– did you include PR American champs in the PR count? Machete, we have Ted Williams(yes, he’s Mexican), he’s waaaaay better than Clemente. Felix, even our Mexican women will risk their lives(and the kids they bring along) and cross the desert to look for work– and whereas PR’s have a rep as lazy welfare recipients, Mexicans are known as hard workers. To the guy calling himself “fuck mexico”– hey, I’m not proud of it, but Mexicans are dominating blacks in their own ghettos throughout the southwest USA. You guys haven’t done the same where PR’s and blacks co-exist. You guys really need to stop hating Mexicans because the bad apples from among our people are already arriving in the East Coast to deliver drugs. Trust me, these are not the same kind of Mexicans as the quiet, little illegals who just want to work and not make noise. Watch what you say. C’mon! It’s just sports, don’t hate us because we beat you. Let’s live in peace and start being the Latino brothers that we are– so that Mexicans can also vote in PR’s into national offices when we become the majority in the USA. You guys have a great day! Peace.
03/09/2010 at 5:58 pm Permalink
Mexican,
Great points.
“The G Manifesto, you said you were impartial but you revealed your bias when you said Oscar didn’t get the decision because he ran the last 4 rounds.”
That is a fact. He did lose the fight. Check the record books. The point I was trying to make is that in a Puerto Rico VS Mexican fight, you can’t run the last four rounds. In doing so, De La lost the boxing match and the respect.
Also, I scored the fight 7 rounds to 4 for Tito with one even. Many of the rounds were razor close, being even up until the last 20 seconds.
I invite you to watch the fight again, preferably with out Lampley and Merchant’s over the top cheerleading for Oscar.
“Fights are scored on a round by round basis and the scores are tallied at the end. He won because he landed more overall punches, more power punches, more jabs, landed at a higher connect %, dictated the pace of the fight , made Tito miss more punches or rendered more punches ineffective.”
I am aware how fights are scored. And De La did not land more power punches. Tito did. And Tito won more rounds on the all important judges cards.
“He gave away the last 3 rounds because the only way Tito could’ve won was if he landed a lucky punch.”
History proves otherwise.
“It’s a common sense tactic that’s been used for decades”
Common sense has little to do with a high stakes boxing match.
- MPM
15/11/2010 at 8:56 pm Permalink
”Yes, it’s true Puerto Rico was rescued by the United States under the Jones law in 1917, because its people were starving, that made Puerto Ricans U.S citizens. Congress made the decision based on a mutually convenient exchange”
That is incorrect – the USA imposed citizenship upon Puerto Ricans because it wanted to draft men into the armed forces and to send them to protect the Panama Canal Zone. It refused to send white troops there and sent Puerto Ricans because there was a plague and the government did not want to sacrifice white troops.
As for the boxing rivalry – as mentioned above – Mexico’s population is anywhere from 25 to 30 times larger than PR. There have been 70 Puerto Rican world boxing champs. Mexico would have to produce about 2100 (70 times 30) world champs in order to equal the output of PR boxers. This is something that will not happen until the next century.
Therefore, like it or not, Puerto Rico wins the rivalry!
… keep smiling ~
21/03/2011 at 2:16 pm Permalink
THE TRUTH IS MEXICANS HAVE ALWAYS ENVIED PUERTO RICANS BECAUSE WE ARE BORN CITIZENS AND HAVE NO NEED FOR GREEN CARDS WE ALSO SPEAK BETTER SPANISH AND HAVE A BETTER EDUCATION WE GET BETTER JOBS AND WE ARE KNOWN FOR PRODUCING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TALENTED CELEBRITIES WE HAVE NO NEED TO WALK A DESERT OR SELL DRUGS IN THE USA OR ANYWHERE WE DO HAVE OUR CARTELS UNFORTUNATELY BUT WE KEEP IT IN OUR ISLAND WE DON’T SHOVE DRUGS DOWN OTHER PEOPLES THROATS WE PUERTO RICANS BESIDES OUR BELIEFS ARE ALWAYS HERE TO HELP OTHERS AND BETTER OURSELVES…..STRAIGHT TO THE POINT NOT IN A MILLION YEARS A MEXICAN ARMY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN PUERTO RICO
02/05/2011 at 4:37 am Permalink
G, you can’t “run” the last 3 rounds in a Mexico vs P.R. rivalry? You can *GIVE* the last 3 rounds away if you won the previous 9. Our “rivalry” doesn’t supercede the scoring system– rounds are scored individually and then tallied @ the end. Judges don’t erase scores in previous rounds FOR ANY REASON. C’mon, that’s ridiculous! I can imagine a judge saying “Let’s see, Oscar won the first 9 rounds but you can’t run the last 3 rounds in a Mexico vs P.R. rivalry so I’m giving it to Tito”. LOL! You’re going to have to show where you got your info from to claim Tito landed more power punches. Oscar fought on his terms, dictated the pace of the fight, made Tito miss, landed more punches and landed at a higher connect %. Oscar was the ring General and Tito was the private. Tito didn’t just lose but he lost *B-A-D-L-Y*. For Javi Lee Jetta– kid, Mexicans aren’t shoving drugs down peoples throats you dummy. Mexicans bring the drugs over because Americans want them and are willing to pay for them. I addressed the rest of your non-points in my previous post but I will address your most humorous allegation that Mexicans are jealous of P.R.’S. Kid, hate to burst your bubble but Mexicans don’t know P.R.’s exist or the difference between P.R.’s, Cubans, Venezuelans, Colombians, etc. In other words, YOU’RE IRRELEVANT. TruthTeller, Mexico being more populous is misleading because most Mexican kids are poor and have to work to eat and the middle class kids that have enough money for food think boxing is beneath them. You guys get help with food and housing so you have the time and energy to box.
02/05/2011 at 5:29 am Permalink
MEXICAN,
Re-read my previous comment.
- MPM
02/05/2011 at 2:52 pm Permalink
G, I re-read your previous comments and you didn’t re-write it to submit a reputable source for your claim that Tito landed more power punches vs Oscar De La Hoya. Anyways, would you like to talk about how in the so called non-existent “Mexico vs Puerto Rico Rivalry” WV1 didn’t fight Barrera or Morales and Morel didn’t fight Montiel, how Calderon didn’t fight a prime Arce, how JuanMa won’t fight JM Marquez(JML original 122 and JMM original 126. JMM moved up 2 divisions to face Mayweather, JML can do the same vs JMM), how WV2 is fighting washed up Mexicans like Hernandez and Arce who are in their 4th and 5th divisions but not moving up one division for a fight against Salido. Or why isn’t Rocky Martinez fighting Guerrero or Soto? Furthermore, you’ve got instances like where Welterweight Trinidad was fighting jr lightweights like Oscar De La Hoya and a washed up Camacho or lightweights like a washed up Whitaker(I recall he fought Pendleton who was a lightweight as well. No?) or a good # of fighters who are more jr welters than welters but then he didn’t fight Terry Norris and how Tito’s record and KO% dipped dramatically when he moved up in weight. Or how Juanma didn’t fight Caballero when they were the best 122 lbers or how he wouldn’t get in the ring vs Gamboa.The points being that if you’re going to claim to be better than Mexicans **your best have to fight our best** and the point about Tito and JuanMa being that if you’re going to claim to be better than Mexicans **your best have to fight the best of the world** like Mexicans do. lastly, regarding the record in championship fights between our 2 countries it is misleading and irrelevant because of the points I’ve already made. Wilfredo Gomez beat alot of Mexicans but he lost to the best in Sanchez. Calderon beat alot of Mexicans but lost to Segura, but more importantly didn’t fight a prime Arce, etc etc. The point being that the victories of the P.R.’s over Mexicans became nothing when they lose to the best Mexican.
02/05/2011 at 2:58 pm Permalink
TruthTeller, the top 10 Mexicans with the most wins in championship fights have more wins than all 8 million Puerto Ricans in history have in championship fights.
02/05/2011 at 3:02 pm Permalink
Jave Lee Jetta, you’ve spoken foolishly. This country will soon belong to Mexicans and your comments will then apply to P.R.’s
02/05/2011 at 7:26 pm Permalink
Nobody is better between Mexicans and Ricans. We’re both Latinos and Latinos are the best in the world. Let’s stick together vs the world and be a super power!
04/05/2011 at 10:21 pm Permalink
They don’t sell steroids in Puerto Rican pharmacies. Like, they do in Mexico. Busted with roids, Vargas, Carbajal, Niño, Salido, and Chavez jr. Not one Puerto Rican! That’s the only way Mexican win by cheating, world Champs just look at the Mexican bias WBC. Puerto Rican that served in WWI 18,000. In WWII Puerto Rican 90 Purple Hearts, 20 Bronze Stars , and 2 Silver stars. Not to say how many Puerto Ricans died in Vietnam, and Korea. Mexicans should worry about their Drug Cartels , and have some balls to fix your country. Indijenas barratos!
31/05/2011 at 3:55 pm Permalink
lol Boyle Heights,Ca Zip Code is the Area were More Soldiers and Veterans have died in war defending this Country, than any other place in the nation and Boyle Heights primarily being MEXICAN-AMERICAN suburb.
its funny how when the nigger puerto ricans got nothing to say they change the subject and start talking about other bullshitt that doesnt have nothing to do with boxing!
p.s One of the Navy Seals that got osama bin laden is a MEXICAN-AMERICAN from the houston,Texas area,
p.s.2 and the one that got saddam hussein is another MEXICAN-AMERICAN Great Seargent Ricardo Sanchez#1 that also accomplished the mission that he was given wink wink…
31/05/2011 at 4:00 pm Permalink
MEXICO#1 tops puerto ricans in Boxing or anything else they want to throw at us lol…!!
Were Even Taking Over the UFC Now…we not only control boxing were taking over UFC with Greats like CAIN VELASQUEZ#1 who destroyed viking warrior brock lesnar becoming the NEW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD IN ULTIMATE FIGHTING, then these niggericans are going to say that this info is also false…lol
08/11/2011 at 2:06 pm Permalink
Please you can’t use the margarito vs cotto fight… if you watch the fight you can tell that cotto was beating him in all cards until margaritos’ loaded gloves started to hurt cotto… I mean please who can’t win with loaded gloves? I mean you better… Cheater
27/11/2011 at 11:03 pm Permalink
Mexican,
“you didn’t re-write it to submit a reputable source for your claim that Tito landed more power punches vs Oscar De La Hoya. ”
Compubox: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Felix_Trinidad_vs._Oscar_De_La_Hoya
Trinidad Power Punches: 124
De La Hoya Power Punches: 120
From where I am sitting, 124 is more than 120.
- MPM